|▲ Photo:First person from left grandson of Bahadur Shah Zafar, third person Nasim Mirza Changezi with his wife. Person sitting from the right is O.Nyamdavaa(ubpost.mongolnews.mn)|
ubpost.mongolnews.mn(Monday, October 14th, 2013)
O.Nyamdavaa: Great Genghis Khan’s 23rd golden royal descendant lives in India.
TRANSLATED BY P.ERDENENYAM
Genghis Khan (Chinggis Khan) founded the Great Mongolian Empire. With his military he conquered nearly half of the world’s land. Since then, blue-stained Mongol descendants live in every corner of the world. The descendants of Genghis Khan and the successors of the Great Mongolian Empire can also be found in India. The following is an interview with Dr. O. Nyamdavaa, who is the Head of The World Center for People of Mongol Origin, former ambassador for Mongolia in India, and he has spent about 40 years of his lifetime in India, translated from Daily Newspaper.
-Let’s start our conversation with Genghis Khan’s original descendants. Where and how did you meet them?
-I had been working at the Embassy of Mongolia in India for about 15 years, starting as an attaché and becoming an ambassador. So, I have many friends from many sectors in India.
When I was organizing an international conference attended by the civil service, someone asked me to come to Delhi. They told me that they found the person I was looking for, so after that I began research for two weeks in Delhi. During that time, my work was going very well and I met many interesting people. Then I thought, how truthful is the Mongolian saying “Taniltai bol talin chinee” (Having a wide acquaintance is always good). I met not only with a descendant of Genghis Khan, but also with the latest emperor of the Great Moguls empire, Bahadur Shah Zafar. In addition, I met descendants of a man who was the finance minister during the time of the Emperor Akbar. These people knew each other and kept in touch, or stayed connected.
Nasim Mirza Changezi is the name of the person who is an original descendant of Genghis Khan. He is 104 years old now and his wife is 96. They have six children. Two of them are boys and they live together in Pakistan. Nasim Mirza Changezi was mentioned in Indian news. People showed me the stories like “The only original descendant of Genghis Khan” and “A person who has 900 rare books about the origins of Genghis Khan”.
-So, what generation from the origin of Genghis Khan can he state?
-He is the 23rd royal blood generation of Genghis Khan. His origin is from Emperor Khulegu, who was the son of Tolui. Tolui was the son of Genghis Khan. The son of Khulegu, Sikandra Changezi is the 24th generation of royal blood.
- It is said that Genghis Khan’s army was settled in Central Asia when they began seizing half of the world’s territory on horseback. But how did Nasim Mirza Changezi’s forefathers move to India?
-In history, the predecessors of Emperor Khulegu left Mongolia, then passed through Central Asia and moved to Afghanistan and Iran. They used to reign in these countries. During Emperor Akbar’s time, when India and Pakistan were considered one country, in the Indian city of Agra, Nasim was employed as a chairman. After then, during the period of Emperor Oarangzeb, he moved to Delhi. Even now, he lives in the same house.
- What are the arguments for his origins from Genghis Khan?
-When I first met Narsim Mirza Changezi, I asked him, “Could you show me arguments that you are originated from Genghis Khan?” He was little timid then and showed me his pedigree.
This pedigree stated origins from far back in human history. It was written in Persian and was certified. I wanted him to write it down in Latin, then he translated it and showed me the 24 preceding generations of Genghis Khan. I over stepped bounds and wanted to him to write down the former 24 generations of Genghis Khan. I have a video of it. He also showed me many photos of his family tree.
Descendants of Genghis Khan live in India and in Central Asia. I always deeply believed that they did not erase their pedigree. I was just waiting for this moment and for this great opportunity. Today, it is an important time to share this with the public. So, that’s why I am talking about it.
- Could you tell me more about this?
-First, they presented me with someone who was a descendant of the Mogul Empire. He lives in the state of Uttar Pradesh in India. Through him, they presented me with the original descendant of Genghis, a person who was living at the same time as the finance minister during Emperor Akbar’s time. His name is Navaab Shah Mohhamad Shuaib Khan. Like many Indian citizens, his life is very simple. He said that he is confident about his future and wants to establish the University of Bahadur Shah Zafar.
- How did the pedigree correlate with the history that you’ve studied?
For example, comparing it to Genghis Khan’s origin stated in the Secret History.
-It was confirmed, starting from Genghis Khan until Abagu Khan’s time. There is a book about the origins of Genghis Khan written by a Kazakh historian. What he wrote about Genghis Khan, Tolui, Khulegu, and Abagu was clearly coherent with the pedigree. But he, the Kazakh writer, didn’t write down the generations following Abagu. Comparing the pedigree with the Secret History, the historical data and most of the names of emperors was acceptably consistent. I think that Mongolian historians should do some research on it.
- Is there anything special to see from ancient times in Mongolia? Did Nasim Mirza Changezi show you anything?
-Of course, I asked him about that. I saw that he felt anxious because did not expect that he would be asked to show me something. For a while, he told me that there was something I had to see. He poked around his box with a few ancient things in it. There was a burin knife and a kinjal knife. In ancient times Mongolians used to wear the burin in their belts. On the burin there were some Mongolian patterns and prints. He also showed me ancient vases, dishes, gods (maybe Buddhas), books and very rare Quran books.
-What about their beliefs and religion? Were there any characteristics that were similar to that of Mongolians?
-I think there was nothing especially similar in their appearance, language, civilization, religion and beliefs, or customs. But, I found that there was Genghis Khan in his heart. He told me that Mongol blood runs through his body. He sent a sample of his blood to England for analysis. Now, his religion is Muslim.
-Was he proud that he is a descendant of Genghis Khan?
-He was really proud of it. I found that elderly people usually don’t express jingoism like “We are the descendants of Genghis Khan.”
-What do they think about Mongolia? Do they want to come to Mongolia?
-They call Mongolia “Mogulstan” and said that they’re always interested in what’s happening in Mongolia, finding some information and news in the newspapers.
-You had a chance to meet with descendant of the origins of Genghis Khan, Bahadur Shah Zafar. Let’s talk more about him.
-All over the world the emperors of the Great Mongolian Empire are known.
Some of them are Babur, Khuyuman, Akbar, Jakhangir, Shahjahan, and Ourangzeb, who have etched their names in history. Since the time of Ourangzeb Khan, the power of emperors became weak. There was once an single emperor of India then it crumbled into many emperors in each region. At that time, of 17emperors the 14th was Bahadur Shah Zafar.
There was a war with England. He was the last emperor of the Great Mongolian Empire, and fought by uniting all the Indian emperors for the freedom and independence of the Indian empire. Sadly, India lost, and he was exiled to Birmi. He had 31 girls and 16 boys. There was only one boy who survived.
Before he was exiled to Birmi, Bahadur Shah Zafar passed his throne on to his son. They were both exiled, but his son fled the exile. Bahadur Shah Zafar died at 85 years of age. Nowadays, in India there is a street named Bahadur Shah Zafar. His son had only girls. I met one of the sons of these girls in India.
He does not have any similarity to Mongolians. In addition to him, I mentioned that I had a chance to meet with some children of people who were chiefs during the Mongol Empire. They told me that want to see Mongolia and are proud that they have Mongolian origins.
-Bahadur Shah Zafar had many relatives. How can you confirm that Navaab Mohammad Shuaida came from his lineage?
-Bahadur Shah Zafar’s son left a certified bequeathal in which Navaab is identified as a grandchild. Later, Navaab Shah Mohammad wrote a book stating that he was a descendant of the Mongol Empire, in which he provided details about all the names and predecessors of his forefathers. Also, I was pretty shocked when he said, “My father built the world famous Taj Mahal with his own money, not from government funds, and I think that it must be my property.” So then, under Muslim law, the Taj Mahal should be his. In Muslim law, in a concluded treaty between Russian Turkmenistan and India, it is said that all the assets are his private property. From that point, the Taj Mahal became his. But in Indian law this situation is still problematic. Now he wants to establish a school named Bahadur Shah Zafer and has already sent a request to the Ministry of Education.
-In ancient times Mongolians used to believe in Buddha. But why weren’t these people able to continue that religious tradition?
-The origins of Tsagaadai Khan were mixed with the Muslims in Central Asia. Then, some of them accepted Islam. During that time, there were some Mongolian emperors which believed in Islam, too. For example, the Ulziit Khan accepted the Islamic faith when he was in Iran.
-Last Friday, you introduced your book “Mongolians in Nepal”. How many Mongolians are in Nepal?
-The population of Nepal is 25 million. Almost 40 percent of them are Mongolians. There are about 61 ethnic groups and almost 50 are from Mongolia, and two of them are the Kham Magar and Tharu. Kham Magars are from Hunnu origins. They moved to India from all across Asia over 450 years, then came to Nepal. Before that, Mongolian Hereid people were in Nepal about 3,000 years ago. Hereids had ruled in Nepal for about 500 years. The Tharu are descended from the Mongolian Tharus, because scientists have mentioned that the Buddha was descended from them.
-Why are you specializing in the Nepalese Mongolians?
-The descendants of Mongolians in Nepal agree that they are Mongolians. They have a magazine called “Voice of Mongolia” and there is a band named Mongolian Soul. Also, every year they organize the Miss Mongolia competition. So, why can’t we just accept them as Mongolians?
- How similar are their customs and food culture to that of Mongolians?
-In that case, they are very similar to us. They have the three manly games of Naadam, such as horse racing, wrestling and archery. And they make sacrifices to God, to the Great Blue Sky and worship the mountains and hills. Like Mongolians, they even offer the best to the heavens. Nepalese Mongolians have a nomadic civilization and agriculture. They make cheese from yak’s milk, distill liquor made of fermented milk (alky), and dry their meat. Their furnishings have similar prints. Their musical instruments are similar too. The faces look like Mongolians. They are proud to be born Mongolian. I specially mentioned the Mongolian Bankhar dog breed in my book “Mongolians in Nepal”, because they also breed this dog. The Bankhar had many duties for Mongolians. During the 7th century, our monks went to the Himalayan mountains as pupils and took Bankhars with them. When the monks stopped to sleep overnight in caves, they felt safe with these dogs. They protected monks from beasts and wild animals.
-What about the social rank of Nepal Mongolians?
-Actually, the heads of the government are usually Indian people. Nepalese Mongolians are trying to keep leadership positions equally open because 40 percent of the population are Nepalese Mongolians.
-Did you find the similar words or pronunciation to the Mongolian language?
-They are not Inner Mongolians, Kalmyks or Buryats. They had already forgotten Mongolian because they left Mongolia many years ago. But they still hold Mongolian customs and traditions. Actually, they are interested to come forward as Mongolian.
-How about their living standards?
-Well, I would say they are not very good. Their life is poor. But there are also many educated and smart people . Some of them live in the United States and in England.
-What about the names of Nepalese Mongolians?
-Many of them believe in Buddha, so they names similar to Mongolians, for example: Lkham, Dorj, Davaa, Suren and others. Finally, they have the blue stains of Mongols and Mongolian blood is running through them.
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